I was the one with boobs that stood up

Why put this here? Because these are the words of the frustrations and feelings of those who are truly dedicated to their children. Ordinary people, whom the leaders and policy makers should be listening to. Not those who are making their living on the suffering of parents and children, such as:

Separating parents will today wake up to a whole new world, writes Adele Horin.

Angry fathers set out to change Australia's family law system several years ago, and from today, after a tumultuous journey, a new law will help reshape the post-separation landscape.

...
Joanna Fletcher, a spokeswoman for Women's Legal Services Australia, said: "The legislation will encourage parents to focus even more on their perceived right to spend equal time with children after separation regardless of the arrangement when the family was together."

"Equal time" may be pursued as the preferred option when research shows children's greater need is for flexible arrangements and quality time with both parents.

...
But Fletcher argues that changes to family law in 1996, which also promoted greater contact between children and fathers, had a serious effect on cases that involved allegations of abuse and violence. The number of interim orders for contact between children and the non-resident parent where domestic violence was alleged - in place for up to two years - increased significantly after the law changed. But there was no change in the number of final orders for "no contact" once judges had all the facts, suggesting many interim contact arrangements may have been unsafe. (- from the Sydney Morning Herald, 1 Jul 05 "Mother and father of all change"

Whose words are only attempts to propagandize and fear-monger, irregardless of the reality of even the research they themselves cite. The reality of the one with boobs speaking below.
Debbie is a frequent poster to fathers4equality.

Guys, and girls....

When I posted the other day my disgust of the story re women becoming redundant, I sure as hec didn't expect such a backlash. Honestly, some of it I feel was directed at me because I was the boobs that stood up and said "Hey I take offence to this."!

I have said this a million times and well plain and simple - I am NOT a feminist (at least the 'new' bullshit femi-nasty feminists)

In the true form of the word feminist: A person whose beliefs and behaviour are based on feminism

(If)feminism (is a ) belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes

Then yes. I am a feminist - in the true sense that feminists existed.

I BELIEVE in equality I BELIEVE that both men and women whether we need to stand or squat to pee are equal in so many others ways.

For those of you who like to jump at my comments, and think they only come from a mother's (-- therefore feminists') story, should know both sides of my story - Some of you know this, so just skip (if your still reading that is )

I am a divorcee with 3 amazing children, who have given me so much over my life. They have a father who choses to live in another country. He rings once a week, if he remembers. He visits when he can be bothered. He doesn't pay child support. Yet I have paid him before to come and see his children.

Him and I fight about the children all the time. I have told him I would waiver CSA (-- not that he pays it). But I would tell them that we had come to an agreement to get them off his case, if he would come and try and form some kind of stability and growth in a relationship between them.
From what he would save in CS he could come to Australia 3 times a year on average for a week at a time - too hard basket.
Peter and I approached my ex and his new wife regarding shared residency. We asked would they consider relocating to the Gold Coast where we live so we could all look into a shared care arrangement.

MY CHILDREN BENEFIT, THEY GET MUM THEY GET DAD (and respective step - parents)

However - Too hard basket.

My ex had gone AWOL for 2-1/2 years and threatened his sister not to give me his address.
My eldest daughter needed alot of answers that only her father could give. He eventually decided to ring her, made more and more promises and never kept them.
This guy is the stereotypical deadbeat father that pathetic shows like Today Tonight and the other one chase up the street with microphones and cameras.

Not only that - this guy left me in over $200,000 debt when we got divorced (I was only 24 that was a hell of alot of money).

Yet for the sake of the children we had together I try and try and try to get him to be a dad.

I am now in a relationship with Peter who's ex wife has cost us over $30,000 in legal bills and bullshit trips to the FC/FMC to only be kicked in the teeth.

I watch her make false aligations against Peter and I.
I watch her new husband yell abuse at me and threaten to kill Peter.
I watch her yell abuse at my three children.
I watch my step son cry because she is dragging him away from his step siblings.

I watch as she screws up invites to any family parties that Pete's son might receive right infront of him and I watch him cry and she does it.

I listen to his little heart breaking as he tells us his mother had been talking badly about his father and he said please stop that hurts my feelings, to which she says "I don't care", and continues speaking so badly about his father.
He come to us and says.... "Daddy what's a prick?", when asked why he says, that is what chris was telling everyone that was at our house that you are.
And mummy said you're out of control.

This boy adores his father and it upsets in greatly to have to live with this day in and day out. and there is not a FckN thing we can do!.... We've tried the court system and all it did was kick us further down, then sent the bill.

I've lived both sides of the coin and yes I do take offence to being branded a whinging feminist because I took offence to the redundant women post. - There was no form of equality there was there. I recall many of you taking similar offence to a story that was posted not long ago by an author/journo on the theage.com.au where she completely ruined men and boys - that caused an uproar.

How small our memories are I (boobs and all) objected to the same posting for its pathetic attack on men.

I have made at least 3 posts over the last 4 months showing my disguist at Channel 9 Gold Coast for showing anti father stories. I rang them and sent in letters of complaint. I have recently after receiving some pathetic woman's safety card whilst walking into my local Bunnings store have written to the people who printed such. -- I also asked them where the one for my husband was?????? I got no reply.

However - I wish to bring up the comments that have been free flowing from F4E members starting from my dissaproval of the redundant comment.....

Firstly, the comments given to the two people who God forbid felt what I said was valid, why jump on these guys??? Why?-- because they said,"OK Debbie", "Well said", or what ever it was they had said tha they are now also branded as feminist apologists?

Whats the matter Jason have all those stickers twisted your brain mate.

Lets see just one woman scratch her testicles.

Men cannot and do not give birth by the same token there are things men can and will do that women can't. Dont let the feminasties make you believe otherwise.

Angry Harry (Below) is letting us see a very clever point here... It's only a joke... but if you are a woman, it hurts... Doesn't it?
Get real.

They cant stand at the trough (obviously haven't been down the RSL with some friends of mine LOL)

Women, feminists and their lackies find it funny right
up until anyone starts critizising them.

Males can be abused in any way, shape or form but
utter one truth about women that is not to their
liking and we get the bottom feeders cow-towing

I find it interesting how quickly males stand up and
be counted, backing a feminist.

Feminist is the male-hate doctrine, yet men line up
and back a feminist, the sole reason for this forum.

lets see just one waman scratch her testicles.
men cannot and do not give birth by the same token there are things men can and will do that women cant . dont let the feminasties make you believe otherwise.

Women have only ever done anything that is to their
own benefit. Women vote for politicians because they
cow-tow to what women want, more payments and more
hunting down fathers for payment for women and
destroying them in the process. All motivated by
Mothers as they "FEEL" they have been wronged.

Women steal jobs from males through "AFFIRMATIVE
ACTION", and we still have women screaming they are
not dominating science and engineering as they do in
teaching and government departments.

Women have succeeded in destroying the education for
boys through a feminised sexist education system that
only promotes women and have their interest as it's
only aim.

Women are interested in themselves, men can see a
females point of view but women cannot do the same
about males.

Your simplistic examples mean nothing, anyone can show
some miniscule example on any issue, it's a trick that
feminist have used for the last 40 years

"well a friend of mine said" .........". Totally
insignificant.

Women can only see the world from their angle and are
incapable of seeing it from any other point of view.

Amazing how women will abuse, denigrate, humiliate and
support any media that does so. Sit with any female
and wait for it to laugh when a male is denigrated and
humiliated.

Do the same to women and what do we have ....

It's the " What have we done wrong...?" mentality.

Where have women been for the last 40 years.
Did they miss the "all men are bastards" comment or
the "women need men like a fish needs a bicycle".
Am I missing something here ?

Is it not typical of women to start complaining about
the moment anything negative is stated against them
instead of learning from it.
Women are so used to complaining, it's automatic.

Did they not introduce that exact laws that this site
is trying to change and fight against ?
Did they not introduce "Affirmative Action" and steal
men's jobs away from them ?
Did they not introduce the blatant anti-male attitude
in the Education system ?
I could go on, denying it is fine but it does not
change an iota of truth.
Women have deliberately abused and denigrated all
males and now your saying it's not an issue.
Well sorry ladies it is. (-- from Angry Harry)

All because I used my OPINION of a story that I felt was unfairly written and for a group that CLAIMS you want EQUALITY?
Personally I think every single one of those comments was uncalled for.

NOT ALL WOMEN ARE HARD ASS BITCHES THAT WILL DO NOTHING BUT SCREW YOU. You only have my word for this and since I have boobs doubt you'll believe me anyway but I am not one of those women. Those of you who I have spoken to off forum realise that.

And the attacks on those who God forbid applauded me standing up for myself, they received comments like this.

It's a major issue.
I find it interesting how we have feminist apologist, as if there was really nothing that feminism or women are to be held accountable for.

I am really amazed how males, having been screwed both "literaly and materially" keep apologising for the behaviour of women.

Did women not derive major if not all benefits from the male-hating feminist movement ?

And to sum up my thoughts

I would be thinking that this group is just as guilty of the same crime. So much for free speech.
However I would like to comment that this "support group" appears to of become very extreme in it's attitude and bias against women.

We have all joined farthers for equality for a reason.... Maybe some of us need to stop displaying such anger and resentment and act in an equal manner. There are many women who are on your side but to be continually kicked in the face for being such because many of you can't get over your own personal anger and hatred and swear we are attacking you just for sticking up for ourselves - and for you guys....... Personally I have stood up and made noise more in the last 12 months for men and children's rights then my own.

You won't get anywhere if you refuse every hand that tries to help just because boobs are attached! The one thing many men's groups have ON your side than the feminatziz do is you have BOTH men and WOMEN fighting for YOUR rights. And if you continue to shout insults at that hand they won't be there for long.

I don't know what has happened to many of you. And I don' know why your so angry feeling betrayed etc etc
BUT people are willing to help. Sorry to sound so blunt but maybe get your head out of the sand and accept the help, -- even if its someone of the different gender. This world will stop if we completely segregate men and women.

Do you really want your kids growing up thinking that this will happen?????
Fck No is my answer.
Hey its possibly viable to think that we missed the boat, unfortunately for us (and) our kids.
The legal system betrayed us all.
KEEP fighting for our CHILDREN.
I have 2 sons and 2 daughters and we already speak to them about fair choices and being go against the 1600's grain way of thinking.

We don't need to offend each other. Nor do we need to fight each other. We need to stand tall and WALK TOGETHER!

Thanks for reading,

Debbie

(reposted here with permission from Debbie from QLD Australia, from the fathers4equality group on Yahoo)
Adele Horin is building a well-deserved reputation as a fear-mongering, opportunistic misandrist. See "Equal-time rule found to put some children at risk" By Adele Horin, The Sydney Morning Herald 1 July 2006

Despite innumerable studies that show children are healthier and happier after divorce when they have a solid relationship with both parents, Ms Horin cites unsupported opinions such as:

"There is a group of children for whom the 50:50 arrangement was never designed, and they will suffer badly," said Jennifer McIntosh, adjunct associate professor in the school of public health at La Trobe University.

Her study, funded by the federal Attorney-General's Department, tracked 298 children from high-conflict families in mediation with Relationships Australia.

The children most likely to still suffer severe depression, anxiety or behaviour problems a year after their parents sought mediation were those who split their time equally between their parents, were aged under 10 and whose parents could not co-operate or communicate with each other.

Their fathers had low education levels, and the children had a poor relationship with their mother, or primary carer.

"The recipe for a psychological 'disaster' is young children whose parents are in high conflict, who are not protected by a strong relationship with [their primary carer] and are subjected by their parents to egocentrically oriented living arrangements, including 50:50 arrangements that ironically deny the child a secure emotional base with either parent," Dr McIntosh said.

She said that children's mental health did not require a "brilliant" relationship with both parents, though that was optimal. They needed a strong relationship with at least one parent.

Look closely at this excerpt. Dr McIntosh states truthfully that there are children and parents for whom a 50:50 relationship is not feasible, or even desirable -- in her words, "not designed".
She makes no attempt to quantify how many children or families are in that category.
Then Dr McIntosh delivers blatant and unprofessional disinformation by making a general conclusion that is not supported in her own comments, nor in the bulk of research across Australia or the world:

"She (Dr McIntosh) said that children's mental health did not require a "brilliant"relationship with both parents, though that was optimal. They needed a strong relationship with at least one parent."

You'll also note that Dr McIntosh specifically chose 298 high-conflict families, which skews the data and conclusions to an unacceptable bias, then Ms Hornin cites the conclusions as if it applied to the general public.

Welcome to the fear-mongering world of Victim Feminists, courtesy of the Attorney-General''s department and La Trobe University, ladies and gentlemen.
Your guide for the day will be an adjunct professor from the school of public health. She will deliver her disinformation to the general public through our public misandryst, Adele Hornin.

Now, where is that nice lady with the boobs?